Dems Taking Another Shot at Public Option

[CHUMPS FROM OXFORD]

But...If a Doctor in Ohio charges $60 for a checkup and the NJ Doctor charges $95. And if the semi-private room in Ohio costs $200 and in NJ its $270...Well...that's what I was getting at.

If a guy from NJ that wants an Ohio policy, I would think the insurance company will have to charge him more than the person living in Ohio.

 

[Winter_123]

Think about it? What’s the point of interstate purchasing unless it, on average lowers premium for all consumers in all states?
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The public option may or may not come soon but we will start down that road soon either in the form co-ops, expanded government programs, and so on. The march toward a government run system is irreversable. We are only talking timing and degree that it will be accomplished each year. If you think in terms of six month increments probably you are all set. Five year increments are another matter.

The nature of socialist governments is that the big business complains all the way all while some of the big players get in bed with them. Thus we will find, for example if there is a public option, that the government will bid out big portions of it to big carriers who suddenly decided they could offer a better deal to the government and still get by. And as they undercut the rest of the industry, people migrate over to the public portions, which are actually feeder programs for the whore carriers who are in bed with the government.

Even the British Health Service has experimented with subbing out portions of its "business" to the private sector. Thus United Health entered into partnership with the NHS.

And, the medicare division of UnitedHealth (Ovations) in this country is now headed up by Simon Stevens, who was Tony Blair's chief health advisor. Incestuous between big business and socialist governments? You decide.

The government needs to break down all these state barriers to make these deals and arrangements work. Don't kid yourself either that this is all about reducing premiums. The government wants to be able to place conditions on carriers so that if they do business in a state at all they must cover the entire state, etc. Or if you want Wyoming , you have to take on the contract with the Tribal Authorities that the government has been losing money on, etc. Once everything is totally mushed together the concept of insurance has totally disappeared and you have basically implemented a national health service run from Washington but pieces bid out to carriers or run by states through block grants where it serves their needs.

As discussed ad nauseum, once these clowns continue to get better at the socialist game they will discover that the last thing they want or need is to bite off the public option fully right now. They can accomplish about anything they want just by messing with the carriers and letting the costs be on their books. Several of the big financial institutions have fully paid back their tarp money but now the government says it is still going to regulate their executive pay. These socialists are like a like a lobster trap. Once you get in, you can't get out.

Change you can believe in.

 

[ins.dave]

The public option may or may not come soon but we will start down that road soon either in the form co-ops, expanded government programs, and so on. The march toward a government run system is irreversable. We are only talking timing and degree that it will be accomplished each year. If you think in terms of six month increments probably you are all set. Five year increments are another matter.

The nature of socialist governments is that the big business complains all the way all while some of the big players get in bed with them. Thus we will find, for example if there is a public option, that the government will bid out big portions of it to big carriers who suddenly decided they could offer a better deal to the government and still get by. And as they undercut the rest of the industry, people migrate over to the public portions, which are actually feeder programs for the whore carriers who are in bed with the government.

Even the British Health Service has experimented with subbing out portions of its "business" to the private sector. Thus United Health entered into partnership with the NHS.

And, the medicare division of UnitedHealth (Ovations) in this country is now headed up by Simon Stevens, who was Tony Blair's chief health advisor. Incestuous between big business and socialist governments? You decide.

The government needs to break down all these state barriers to make these deals and arrangements work. Don't kid yourself either that this is all about reducing premiums. The government wants to be able to place conditions on carriers so that if they do business in a state at all they must cover the entire state, etc. Or if you want Wyoming , you have to take on the contract with the Tribal Authorities that the government has been losing money on, etc. Once everything is totally mushed together the concept of insurance has totally disappeared and you have basically implemented a national health service run from Washington but pieces bid out to carriers or run by states through block grants where it serves their needs.

As discussed ad nauseum, once these clowns continue to get better at the socialist game they will discover that the last thing they want or need is to bite off the public option fully right now. They can accomplish about anything they want just by messing with the carriers and letting the costs be on their books. Several of the big financial institutions have fully paid back their tarp money but now the government says it is still going to regulate their executive pay. These socialists are like a like a lobster trap. Once you get in, you can't get out.

Change you can believe in.

Yep.
Separate yet United states ... can't have one without the other I reckon.
I agree with that.
I don't see interstate as being a cost container ...
They just want to sqeeze all the carriers into the same corner.
I think the poop will start hitting the fan here shortly in the courts. I wonder what Sotamayor's thoughts are on this issue?
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But...If a Doctor in Ohio charges $60 for a checkup and the NJ Doctor charges $95. And if the semi-private room in Ohio costs $200 and in NJ its $270...Well...that's what I was getting at.

If a guy from NJ that wants an Ohio policy, I would think the insurance company will have to charge him more than the person living in Ohio.

Oh, you haven't heard ...?
They are going to standardize the check up fees and the semi private rates nationwide.
Also the price of a pack of Newports ...

 

[scagnt83]

I'm not sure if Olympia or Pelosi makes me dry heave more.

Olympia makes me want to dry heave....Pelosi makes me want to bang my head against the wall until I pass out!!! How the hell did a person like that ever become 3rd in line for the presidency?