Is Individual Health Market Toast?

[somarco]

alien invasion tomorrow as well - who knows.

Actually . . .

I have been in communication with the mother ship. The invasion is not slated to begin until the govt turns off all analog TV transmissions.

 

[sunmed]

One effect is part of the stimulus plan is to extend Cobra and subsidize their premiums by 65%. I know lately i have been writing a lot of people that were looking for a Cobra alternative. Cobra may actually be more affordable with a 65% subsidy from the Govment. Thats my 2 cents.

 

[ABC]

One effect is part of the stimulus plan is to extend Cobra and subsidize their premiums by 65%. I know lately i have been writing a lot of people that were looking for a Cobra alternative. Cobra may actually be more affordable with a 65% subsidy from the Govment. Thats my 2 cents.

I agree with this about 2 individual sales a month for me are coming from people that have the option of Cobra.

I think the individual market will still be here in the next 4 years. Schip will pick up a lot of dependent coverages so our sales for family plans will shrink. Other than that most people that will qualify for future expanded welfare programs would not pay for insurance anyways.



Good topic


OK why is someone using the handel "dimebag"
WE dont talk about it unless you got some

 

[Franz Kafka]

Eventually even the idiots in Washington will figure out they can't pay for everything. They have triggered the mess in the mortgage market which led to the meltdown. Now they are fueling the fires with fake money that will eventually lead to rampant inflation.

Think Keynes.

Keynes contended that aggregate demand for goods might be insufficient during economic downturns, leading to unnecessarily high unemployment and losses of potential output. Keynes argued that government policies could be used to increase aggregate demand, thus increasing economic activity and reducing high unemployment and deflation.

Keynes argued that the solution to depression was to stimulate the economy ("inducement to invest") through some combination of two approaches :

a reduction in interest rates.

Government investment in infrastructure -

the injection of income results in more spending in the general economy, which in turn stimulates more production and investment involving still more income and spending and so forth. The initial stimulation starts a cascade of events, whose total increase in economic activity is a multiple of the original investment.

Any of this sound familiar?

the classical (economists) wanted to balance the government budget. To Keynes, this would exacerbate the underlying problem

In other words, more govt spending is the solution to economic woes.

Keynesian ideas became almost official in social-democratic Europe after the war and in the U.S. in the 1960s.

Social democrats.

Keynes's theory suggested that active government policy could be effective in managing the economy. Rather than seeing unbalanced government budgets as wrong, Keynes advocated what has been called countercyclical fiscal policies, that is policies which acted against the tide of the business cycle: deficit spending when a nation's economy suffers from recession or when recovery is long-delayed and unemployment is persistently high—and the suppression of inflation in boom times by either increasing taxes or cutting back on government outlays. He argued that governments should solve problems in the short run rather than waiting for market forces to do it in the long run, because "in the long run, we are all dead."

Nice guy, huh?

But to answer your question, socialism & Marxism does not work. Ask almost anyone in the know and they will tell you the socialistic policies in Europe are bankrupting their economy.

Especially in the area of health care.

We have rationing here just as they do there. The only difference is, when you as an individual can no longer pay for your health care you are shifted to the taxpayer. But even that only goes so far.

In Europe you rely on the taxpayer to fund your health care until the government decides you have had enough. Then you pay, but only if you have the funds.

So in a way we are mirror images of each other.

Just because the govt's role in funding health care has and is changing doesn't mean everyone will jump on board. Those that want and expect unlimited access to health care will be sorely disappointed and seek to return to the way it was before.

Eventually we will march on Washington, torches and pitchforks in hand, and once again take control.

In the interim, it won't be fun or easy.

As with any theory it's easier said than done. Economy is like a crazy horse and the Fed fxxxed up with its timing in restraining it. Tightening started way too late - remember Greenspan raising rates every other day in 2000? Then it got pulled too much - market crash. Then it totally let go of the rein - too low of I.R. which caused inflation, devaluation of $ and bubble of commodities - metals, oil, timber and R.E. Apparently the coachman is DUI.

 

[HealthGuy]

Dimebag is back...from the crypt...Selling health insurance.

 

[Justin Bilyj]

keynes is touted by the neocons and liberals who are the same bunch, run by the central bankers. This is an economic hit people!!! the fed didnt **** things up by accident, it was all on purpose, read confessions of an economic hitman, the central bankers are the ones who backed the euro and european union, the ones who backed the south american union, the ones who crafted NAFTA. They want a NEW WORLD ORDER, and their next targets are two, one the people of america, two the reds (china and russia). Google ZEITGEIST AND WATCH IT. its not accidental its all going to the plan.

 

[Paradigm]

keynes is touted by the neocons and liberals who are the same bunch, run by the central bankers. This is an economic hit people!!! the fed didnt **** things up by accident, it was all on purpose, read confessions of an economic hitman, the central bankers are the ones who backed the euro and european union, the ones who backed the south american union, the ones who crafted NAFTA. They want a NEW WORLD ORDER, and their next targets are two, one the people of america, two the reds (china and russia). Google ZEITGEIST AND WATCH IT. its not accidental its all going to the plan.

I hate to admit it because the conspiracy seems insurmountable and it makes me feel powerless but you are right this has been in the works since 1913. Look at the funding for all globalist organizations and you will see it comes from the big industrialist foundations (Ford, Mellon, Carnegie) and from the current billionaires of today. People you would think would be rabid capitalists but at a certain level its not about money and people about power.

Fear those who seek power and ask yourself why would anyone want a job that pays 140,000-400,000 when they could make millions in the private sector. The reason is they have been coopted by the CFR/Bilderberger/UN system. Their goal is a saccharine, homogeneous society in which individual rights are sacrificed in favor the collective.

Resistance is futile- The Borg

 

[Crabcake Johnny]

Too much Republican pressure - Daschle is toast.

 

[CHUMPS FROM OXFORD]

This may not be a good thing. With Daschle and his baggage, it would have been hard to get a Universal plan through so quickly. The new guy, whoever it is, might be able to push it through quicker.

 

[arnguy]

Daschle has withdrawn his nomination and it was accepted by Obama.