Farm Bureau Vs. Independent

MIAgent09

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Hi all,

This is my first post, but have lurked here for a while, and have appreciated the information I have gathered from this community. I have recently obtained both my P&C and Life & Health licenses in the state of Michigan. I have spent a number of years in financial services, but have no experience with insurance until now. I have been offered a contract with Michigan Farm Bureau, but having read this forum a good deal, I realize there are mixed feelings about working as a captive agent. I am looking for advice as to how I should proceed.

With Farm Bureau I will get a salary of $30,000 my first year in addition to my regular commission, plus $550 per month to offset E&O and personal healthcare expenses, etc. In addition to this over the first 5 years they offer a "quick start" program where they will cover all of my office expenses and I can earn 1.5 to 3 times my regular commissions if I hit certain goals which are reviewed every 6 months. The base commission is 9.5%/12% for new auto/home respectively and 7.5%/9.5% respectively on renewals. Life is 30-50% on new policies and 5-10% on renewals for up to 7 years and then drop off completely.

I can see that there are significant benefits in starting captive with regard to training/support, both educationally and financial support. However, I know there are significant advantages to being independent as well. Also, if I were to consider going independent what is the best way to go about it? I know garnering appointments is very difficult. I'm curious to get some opinions from those with experience in this industry. I realize it's not an easy industry to have success, but given hard work, and hopefully using information I've found here and avoiding some pitfalls in the early going I can build a successful business in time. Thanks in advance... if I left out any important details please let me know and I'll be happy to clarify.
 
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I have an independent agency on the west side of Michigan and the rates for Farm B over in this area are increasing greatly. Something to consider before you sign.
 
I have an independent agency on the west side of Michigan and the rates for Farm B over in this area are increasing greatly. Something to consider before you sign.

Thank you for the response and the heads up on rates. If I were to consider going independent are there any particular carriers that you would recommend in this state that I may be able to get appointed with?
 
Start captive and learn the business. You have nothing to lose. You can always go indy later.
 
You have nothing to lose under that set up just see how long the non-compete is if you leave. Save some money, build a client base, and learn the business then decide if you want to go indy.
 
I agree with Xrac. Start captive and learn while you're getting a salary. If you go a route without a base salary, you'll go broke before you get off the ground.

That being said, the better long term solution is independent -- carriers change their prices regularly --- if you're stuck at a captive carrier and your price stinks, you'll write no new business. If you're an independent, you will have options.
 
We use Iroquois Group not sure if they require at least 2 years P&C experience?
 
What you describe sounds like a good place to start. Having said that is this based on what you have been told or what you have read in the contract.

I don't sell P&C and have nothing against farm bureau but would want to see the contract. Make sure any salary is not in the form of a forgiveable loan or just advance against commission. How achievable are the goals and are the goals specified in the contract and can the requirements change?

I have heard farm bureau can be a good gig but it would be worth a $100 bucks to have an attorney review the contract. I was very surprised by what a poorly worded sentence can do to the meaning of a contract (in my case it greatly modified the contract for my benefit even though you can easily see what was intended).
 
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