Not vaguely even someone this forum in another thread (don't have the time ti find right now) Recently before the debate had called him a liar specifically on the insulin $35 cover for seniors
This is what the comment was about
New insulin coverage for 2021
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Not vaguely even someone this forum in another thread (don't have the time ti find right now) Recently before the debate had called him a liar specifically on the insulin $35 cover for seniors
This is what the comment was about
PS: Just as a sidebar, Trump signed this EO in July and immediately did a victory lap saying that insulin had dropped to "pennies." At the time, that was factually inaccurate and still is.
Someone calling that a lie is accurate.
PolitiFact - Trump inflates insulin help for seniors
It still will be in 2021. You can attribute that to hyperbole, but if we're being honest to facts, it was a lie.
Someone calling that a lie is accurate.
PolitiFact - Trump inflates insulin help for seniors
It still will be in 2021. You can attribute that to hyperbole, but if we're being honest to facts, it was a lie.
Come on how do you talk about hyperbole When you guys own OBAMA CARE
Besides that, I fail to see how $35 insulin for seniors is not a great thing
I have been at this since 2007 with a company and 2011 on my own, One thing that has been really heartbreaking is all the seniors struggling with insulin costs Run into is over and over again
This is Huge
However, really want to talk about helping diabetics Need to start educating on updated science and how a keto diet and Intermittent fasting can do more to help diabetics then medicine
However, that is another subject altogether
So, there's a few things here:
1) This isn't a permanent change. It's a test.
2) It's voluntary.
3) We don't know the impact of it yet.
Personally, I think it's great to reduce costs of insulin for Medicare beneficiaries. I think it's a great test and hope it pans out.
Granted, I don't know the statement on this forum that you're saying is inaccurate, but I'm likely to believe you as people that love Trump and hate him subscribe to "Truthiness" in order to support their stance.
However, taking Trump's statements about insulin as a whole, they aren't accurate.
I appreciate good debate about policy. Keep it coming.
However, I'd only request that you consider that just because people don't agree with you makes the "Lefties." Furthermore, just like on the right, there's a spectrum of beliefs.
A huge part of the problem with this country today is that we're so staunched in our beliefs that anyone that disagrees is an enemy.
We're all Americans. I don't like Trump. I don't think he's a good President. I think he gets a pass by his supporters on things that most previous Presidents wouldnt. However, while I think there's a misrepresentation of reality on the Trump Supporters side of things, you have a right to that belief.
Here is what We know about the impact, Some will take advantage and some won't Some have good agents, and some don't.
It will help many but not all Because some won't change plans and some won't understand and some won't know,
Still Helping some is better than helping none I would guess after a year most that need it will have it
Moreover, we know many programs started as temp SS for one, Unemployment ANd more
But that's the thing it doesn't hurt the one that doesn't take advantage they are not paying more for insurance or meds, then they were before Which makes it better than Obamacare and other similar policies that attack the middle class
I fail to see the negative here, Even if not perfect, Even in the worst-case scenario things are better than previous to the action Unlike Obama CARE
So a few things:
1) You guys is very broad. I actually opposed the ACA over the individual mandate when it was first released and supported am expansion of Medicare and closing tax loopholes the cap things such as Social Security tax.
2) Democrats "owned" the ACA up until Republicans, knowingly, have tried to sabotage the law without a feasible replacement. The ACA is a litany of healthcare policies that are far reaching into Medicare as well.
Repeal and replace was never real. It was straight repeal. Republicans, if they showed true leadership, would have been the force to fix the ACA or AT LEAST have a proposal of their own.
Repealing the ACA is going to have a major negative impact on most ordinary Americans and a major positive windfall on insurance companies and investors.
3) I agree reducing costs for seniors is a great thing. I sincerely hope the test works and becomes permanent.
4) I agree that science education is a great boon. Realistically, people are going to do what they're going to do.
Hell, I can't even get you to stop and acknowledge that anyone that doesn't support Trump or Trumpism isn't inherently a "Lefty" or the enemy.
Your are completely full of crap about the ACA. It's definitely not perfect, but to pretend "absolutely nothing positive came from it" is just bs.
It's from a Democrats named Obama, had to be horrible. That's your rally cry.. but it's simply bullshit rhetoric
What positive came out of it, Most lower-income either got Medicaid or ddint buy if they had to pay anything more then $50
Many middle classes were hurt, Especially with medical conditions I for one will hit out of pocket max every year
Obama care successfully Increased premiums and Out of Pocket cost exponentially
Exactly as predicted, However, what makes it worse much much worse it was vehemently refuted that hi WILL NOT HAPPEN ITS JUST THE RIGHT LYING AGAIN over and over again
In no way did Obama care come close to helping as many as it hurt
Not only have I read about it I heard real-life from many client with family having issues to my own experience with my family
You cannot possibly try and turn it into a positive
While I agree that ObamaCare isn't what most people were really hoping for, at least the Democraps did something. The Republitards have never presented anything and they don't have anything drawn up now. Trump can say he has one all he wants, but we all know he's lying about that.
Yes I agree I knew it before he ever talked about running it was known in the beginning Obamacare was made in a way it could not be repealed strait, Will take years of changes before it can be repealed and because it will hurt it will never happen that way by anyone
Yes At least they did something I never thought in a million years healthcare would cost me near 30K a year Thanks For that
