United stock down a record 20% this am .

You were off just a tad...380 now
I will take a stab and say the bottom will be in the 320-330 range. I might consider loading the boat in that range.
Nuff said?
My post above yours i posted i sold on Monday at $405.20. I'm in none . At $320 thats a steal of all steals. Thats an easy back to $450-$500 in 2026. Mapd carriers getting $25 bil more and United will cut plans and benefits big. United's razor focused on profit margins
 
My post above yours i posted i sold on Monday at $405.20. I'm in none . At $320 thats a steal of all steals. Thats an easy back to $450-$500 in 2026. Mapd carriers getting $25 bil more and United will cut plans and benefits big. United's razor focused on profit margins

UHC being sued by shareholders because they didn't disclose their plan to ease up on claim denials after bad press following CEO's murder.

 
If you're a professional or semi professional trader, you're not buying 800 whole shares of United and flipping them for $25 a share. You're trading options or other synthetics … or you're buying a lot more than 800 shares of anything.
Out of United at $405.20 . Bout 800 at $396.10. Almost $200 straight drop and I bought near the bottom . Nuff said
If you're a professional or semi professional trader, you're not buying 800 whole shares of United and flipping them for $9 a share.

You'd be buying or writing options or other synthetics … or you'd buy a lot more than 800 whole shares of anything.
 
I'm not a full time trader any more . 800 shares is still $320k . When i did full time i might trade 1 million shares a day many times for 10 to 40 cents as i was trading big shares for small moves. What determines a good trader is not can i pick this bottom or top . It's money management and the ability to cut loses quick . As i said sitting in front of a monitor for 20 plus yrs is tough . I still trade but only when i see nice setups . For instance from low to high the mkt s@p ( es futures ) has risen from 4830 ish to 5740 ish in a month ( about 19%). I took a 1/4 short position at 5720 . I'm probing for a top . At 5650 I'll add to the short and a break of 5600 I'll add the rest of short . You usually get a nice pullback on a run that great . Let's see how China trade talks go this weekend
 
I'm not a full time trader any more . 800 shares is still $320k . When i did full time i might trade 1 million shares a day many times for 10 to 40 cents as i was trading big shares for small moves. What determines a good trader is not can i pick this bottom or top . It's money management and the ability to cut loses quick . As i said sitting in front of a monitor for 20 plus yrs is tough . I still trade but only when i see nice setups . For instance from low to high the mkt s@p ( es futures ) has risen from 4830 ish to 5740 ish in a month ( about 19%). I took a 1/4 short position at 5720 . I'm probing for a top . At 5650 I'll add to the short and a break of 5600 I'll add the rest of short . You usually get a nice pullback on a run that great . Let's see how China trade talks go this weekend
I hear you that $320k is a lot of money. Why you didn't pursue an options trade makes little sense to me given your very high confidence in how the stock would move. If anything, write some covered calls against that position.
 
I hear you that $320k is a lot of money. Why you didn't pursue an options trade makes little sense to me given your very high confidence in how the stock would move. If anything, write some covered calls against that position.
And i do that at times . For instance in early April when we were tanking and Nivida,Amd and Pltr were getting crushed i sold naked puts about 10-12% about of the money . The premiums were massive and i didn't mind the stocks getting put to me . I had about 15% cushion to be wrong and not lose money . I did this in march 2009 when the market was in a free fall . I remember selling the spy's about 15% out of the money for like $40 premium . The Vix was over 70 . There's no guarantees in life as to make good money you must take risk
 
My post above yours i posted i sold on Monday at $405.20. I'm in none . At $320 thats a steal of all steals. Thats an easy back to $450-$500 in 2026. Mapd carriers getting $25 bil more and United will cut plans and benefits big. United's razor focused on profit margins
You ready to steal you a few at 320?
I am!
I stole a bunch of FNMA at 1.20 It has been very Sweet to me.
 
You ready to steal you a few at 320?
I am!
I stole a bunch of FNMA at 1.20 It has been very Sweet to me.
Possibly although it's looking really ugly here . But $290-$320 its probably good buy to hold 1-2 yrs . I have no doubt they cut costs to the bone and reduce plan benefits big and term a crap load of unprofitable plans and areas . Chaos coming to mapd . The by product of all this is other carriers will commission suppress fast during aep as business comes flying in
 
Possibly although it's looking really ugly here . But $290-$320 its probably good buy to hold 1-2 yrs . I have no doubt they cut costs to the bone and reduce plan benefits big and term a crap load of unprofitable plans and areas . Chaos coming to mapd . The by product of all this is other carriers will commission suppress fast during aep as business comes flying in

Well if President 2 Dolls for You and 1 Free Jumbo Jet For Me reduces the price of the "fat shot" from 1300.00 to 88.00 that seems like it would help the bottom-line of MA carriers. Having their PBM business threatened won't help the parent company UNH but not sure if that effects the loss ratios of UHC Medicare and Retirement division
 
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