Health Equity Act

[scagnt83]

In a society such as ours the only way to achieve equal outcomes is by unequal treatment, biased competition, and preferential treatment.

Our existing healthcare system has given unequal treatment, biased competition, & preferential treatment for the past 30 years.

If your statement is true (I would not agree) then it means those things would happen for a just cause.... not for greed.

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But your definition of "unequal" is not correct in my opinion. Perhaps related to the new CMS guidelines it is correct. But in general, I do not agree.

Free healthcare for a person making $30k per year.... and not free healthcare for a person making $130k per year... is still treating the population equally.

If the person making $130k suddenly only makes $30k... they wont have to pay for healthcare either.

Equal treatment for anyone who is in the same position in life, is equal treatment.

Our tax system is no different. Do you want a 10% federal rate like other people get? Dont make over $20k and you will. No different with equity in healthcare.

Imo, make it medicare for all, 100% covered. Pay for it through a progressive tax structure. Cut out the 20 different middlemen. Including the insurer. Its all coming from the same pot of money. The national cost of care is what the national cost of care is... we are just currently paying for it from 50 different directions.

 

[straightnochaser]

So, given that so much of health outcomes have nothing to do with things that are wrong with our healthcare system, what methods do you support to achieve this outcome?
Back to my example; would you support factoring race into who receives life-saving treatments when/if they're limited? Other resources? What?

You could've saved some time by just saying you agree with the (horrendous) things I'm warning about.

Lol. You’re ridiculous, no where does this say people will be denied care based on race or being white. And socialism has ONE definition. I should know, I am a socialist.

 

[whatyouwantfinally]

Our existing healthcare system has given unequal treatment, biased competition, & preferential treatment for the past 30 years.

On what basis? Can you give some examples?

If your statement is true (I would not agree) then it means those things would happen for a just cause.... not for greed.

Mentally separating people into groups and trying to balance the outcomes of the groups isn't just. It's the opposite of just. Treating people as individuals is just.

QUOTE="scagnt83, post: 1469388, member: 12228"]Free healthcare for a person making $30k per year.... and not free healthcare for a person making $130k per year... is still treating the population equally.

If the person making $130k suddenly only makes $30k... they wont have to pay for healthcare either.[/QUOTE]

What if we had different brackets based on race/sex/gender/sexuality/whatever else gets thrown in. Is that still treating the population equally?

Equal treatment for anyone who is in the same position in life, is equal treatment.

But no 2 people are in the same position in life. What these people are endorsing is that WHO you are = "your position in life." Which is obviously false.

Our tax system is no different. Do you want a 10% federal rate like other people get? Dont make over $20k and you will. No different with equity in healthcare.

No, it isn't. It's more like, "Don't want to be deprioritized in the health care system? Don't be a straight white male." See the difference?

Imo, make it medicare for all, 100% covered. Pay for it through a progressive tax structure. Cut out the 20 different middlemen. Including the insurer. Its all coming from the same pot of money. The national cost of care is what the national cost of care is... we are just currently paying for it from 50 different directions.

Question; what happens when we do this and there are still disparities in health outcomes between groups? What's the next step?

 

[straightnochaser]

No, it isn't. It's more like, "Don't want to be deprioritized in the health care system? Don't be a straight white male." See the difference?

Wont someone think of the straight white males! The most marginalized and disenfranchised group in the country! Give me a break lol

 

[whatyouwantfinally]

Lol. You’re ridiculous, no where does this say people will be denied care based on race or being white. And socialism has ONE definition. I should know, I am a socialist.

I know you're a socialist.

Of course they don't outright say it. They know it's an insanely unpopular notion.

I've already given a recent, real-world example of scarce, life-saving treatments being given based on race in the name of "equity." I've explained exactly what requiring "equitable" outcomes incentivizes states/healthcare workers to do.

You can do the socialist thing and call me names, put your fingers in your ears and scream. But it's very clear to anyone paying attention what's going on.

 

[whatyouwantfinally]

Wont someone think of the straight white males! The most marginalized and disenfranchised group in the country! Give me a break lol

That's your response to that? There are millions of marginalized, disenfranchised white males in the US. Tons of rich black people. People's lives aren't determined by their race.

"You're literally designing the healthcare system to be racist."

"Who cares because it's racist against white people!"

Listen to yourself.

 

[straightnochaser]

That's your response to that? There are millions of marginalized, disenfranchised white males in the US. Tons of rich black people. People's lives aren't determined by their
"You're literally designing the healthcare system to be racist."

"Who cares because it's racist against white people!"

Listen to yourself.

Listen to yourself! You sound ridiculous. You think health equity is racist to white folks because of what?

you sound like this lady at 2:02

 

[whatyouwantfinally]

Listen to yourself! You sound ridiculous. You think health equity is racist to white folks because of what?

you sound like this lady at 2:02

I've explained multiple times now. We're designing a healthcare system that factors race into what/who gets prioritized, along with "accountability" for states that don't make it happen. That's what racism is.

Note: This allegedly has nothing to do with "socialism," but the self-professed socialist is super for it. When confronted with the reality that it's racist, the response is "Ha ha what kind of *** cares if something is prejudiced against white people they all have it great."

And this isn't some college kid in California. This is a guy on a forum for insurance agents. We have a serious issue in this country and people need to wake up.

 

[straightnochaser]

I've explained multiple times now. We're designing a healthcare system that factors race into what/who gets prioritized, along with "accountability" for states that don't make it happen. That's what racism is.

Note: This allegedly has nothing to do with "socialism," but the self-professed socialist is super for it. When confronted with the reality that it's racist, the response is "Ha ha what kind of *** cares if something is prejudiced against white people they all have it great."

And this isn't some college kid in California. This is a guy on a forum for insurance agents. We have a serious issue in this country and people need to wake up.

the only people that think health equity is racist are…. Racists.

Go have a lie down bro.. you need it

 

[whatyouwantfinally]

the only people that think health equity is racist are…. Racists.

Go have a lie down bro.. you need it

"The only people who think racial discrimination is racist when it's against white people are...racists."

Clown shoes. Be bold. Let as many people as you can hear about the things you really believe/support. Seriously.