U will understand it soon... just hang around for a while
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U will understand it soon... just hang around for a while
I never said MA is terrible in PA. I said there terrible in the Philly area.
dennylobach
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First of all I own over 100 domains. Many for speculation for future business marketing ideas to life and estate planning insurance consumers, however when I buy a domain I buy the .com, .net, .biz, .org etc.
At times the .com is not available and/or is used by someone else as in the case of AgentSuccess.com, and .net which is being used by the real estate business. So although I would always prefer to use the .com (1) it is not always available and (2.) If I do have all the domains then I use the .com, .biz. net. .org for different purposes, such as AgentSuccess.biz for the landing page and AgentSuccess.org as the information page.
When I initially added the AgentSuccess.org rather than the .biz it was so that if anyone wanted to see what I use (we have nothing to hide unlike most of the snipers that don't use their real name ) you could do so without having to register. Then when I recevied the responses about the .org perhps being deceiving I changed it to the .biz site (which is a landing page and you have to register to view information).
Don't you have anything more contructive to offer???
If your so sharp I would challenge either of to tell me why (unfortunately you'll first have to read the AgentSuccess.org page and perhaps download the .pdf first to understand that the FLO is not a binder but a system that we use) the FLO doesn't work?
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Hey putz, here is the problem: You'r first post was trying to get folks to give you money. You might have a legitimate service, you might have a wonderful service, your service might change the world and make everyone's dreams and hopes come true, but the problem is your lead card was selling something and the forum moderators think you should make 100 posts before you do that. To compound your problem, this crowd thinks that is a pretty cool rule and the court of public opinion frequently acts as judge, jury, and executioner when it comes to folks making their first post with the goal of selling a product or service.
I'm not saying it's right, I'm *not* saying it's wrong, but that is the way this forum works. If you had led in with making meaningful contributions to the forum and then started pimping your stuff, well, then this whole thing would have most likely gone differently, perhaps even in your favor.
It might not be too late to repent!
Merry Christmas
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dennylobach
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Well well "Mr MedicarePlanSolutions", Oh I'm sorry, what was your real name? It's very telling when you start off a post or debate by calling the other side a name?
Did you just decide to pick up a rake and sharp stick and join Moe, Larry, and Curley Joe…in the mob looking for someone to burn at the stake as a witch…ok you can be Shep. Personally I always liked Shep the best. Unfortunalely if any more of you join the gang I'll have to change your names to Chico, Harpo, Groucho, Gummo, Zeppo then you can be Gummo and I'll still have a name left for the next one that want's to start a fight.
Whenever someone tells me that I have acted in error I first check to see if they are correct. So… I looked at my first post and I can't find anywhere that I was trying to as you wrote "get folks to give me money". Most of it was about lead returns and false expectations, and necessary funds in lead generation. Along with that was one paragraph about what we now use instead. I didn't ask anyone to buy it.
In fact as I have stated in my earlier post you can't actually buy these without talking to us first and then you have to prove you have read all the training material and are going to try using it. How many times do I have to repeat the Orgainzer is designed to by purchased by your uplines (agency principals-FMO's-Insurance companies ) and provided to you at little or no cost because they produce business) Yes I know they are on Amazon. Why because if we decide to let an agent purchase a test sample, you and I know if your not happy with it you'll get your money back, so you don't even have to take our word for it…Amazom backs it.
Go back and read it. Other than those that have nothing better to do and time to waste posting inane statement and responses, I was under the belief that this forum was to exchange better ways to do business. Those that needed asked and those that had figured it out contributed. Now you are suggesting that someone on the forum needs to make 100 posts before posting their signature that may lead readers to a site where they can learn more about what the poster is doing or marketing (or horrors selling-why those nasty salesmen, how dare th ey). (Actually thase are not the forum rules - you should go back and read them)
Would you have been happy if I left off my signature, or perhaps didn't "fess up" and admit that in addition to using this we manufactured it. Tell me what would you… Mr. Judge, Jury and Executioner and the rest of the three (now four) stooges have found acceptable.
You have been on here since Jan of 2009 and have 2,372 posts (where do you find time to do all that posting)
Have you and the other stooges offered even one idea that you personally are using that agents could use to acquire business with no cost? That's what they need and are looking for. I did. Go check my posts and other than the posts where I have had to fend off the malcontents that didn't like my hair, voicemail, signature, .org, .biz, picture, my spelling errors, or typos, (FYI each of you that jumped on me for my typos or spelling errors had typos and spelling errrors in your posts) my writing style or the number of post I made before I put my signature in my post and what ever it is you have a problem with…(BTW most of the people that jumped all over me also jumped all over the nationally know sales trainer and author for posting his web site in his sgnature???- that sure says something). I read where I tell the agents how they can get all the leads they want free forom an experienced local estate planning agent who will also teach them how to sell the bigger cases at no cost to them …without having to buy anything from us.
I find it very telling that none of the four stooges ever disputed the information on my web site or in the downloadable .pdf (I mean I know you would have read it to see if I had anything of value to offer before you discounted it ..right? I mean it can't be that you were like a bunch of high school mean girls –OMG did you see his hair?
I tried to find your original post but only able to go back 500…but your signatue was in all of those, (did you wait until you had 100 posts before you added it?) so I went to your website …and Oh My Goodness… you sell leads!!! (although your not accepting new coustomers at this time - is that because the leads are so good you are overwhelmed with business or because…no it couldn't be because agents aren't satisfied with the wonderful guarantee)
Below is your guarantee if agents give you any money
What If I Don't Get Any Leads?
Even by using advanced phone technologies and well trained telemarketers, with some products in certain areas we wont get any leads. When that happens we do not offer refunds. We will keep you updated on the status of your campaign as things are progressing, and we can make adjustments as necessary, but we will not refund you on the cost of our telemarketing services. 1,000 Calls On 1,000 Records $579 without data, $679 with. Plus $225 setup fee.
Only $804 just to try it with no guarantees and no refunds – sounds great to me - Where do I sign up?
So I belive after only ten days on the forum I have concluded that my business partner was correct when after the first visit he told me that this forum was a waste of time. But seeing that I had some extra time over the holidays to sharpen my writing skills, I made a few posts (this makes 13 - I think) but now it's time to get back to work so I'll have to say goodby to the forum for now so you Shep and Moe, Larry and Curley, will have plenty of time to jump on the next new guy to the forum who might have something of real value to offer.
One other thing. Someone else gave me a different take on this. They said that you guys felt that this was your turf and that if someone else showed up with a "Blue Ocean" idea (go read the book) that suggested to agents that they didn't need to buy leads and perhaps there was a better way, that you guys would do everthing you could to disparage them so that you could continue to sell your stuff to all the unsuspecting agents on the board. I mean you're all experts and Gurus right?
Of course it might be that you are like the kid our Pastor told us about in church this morning. He couldn't play baseball and he hated those that could so much that he would sit on a hill by the field with a mirror and shine it in their eyes when they were up at bat or trying to catch a fly ball.
Personally I'm not buying it…I just think you're all making so much money using your current lead generation systems that you have all this free time on your hands and nothing better to do than protect agents aginst evil people with wild hair.
There is a saying I'm sure you and the other stooges are familiar with.
Who's the bigger fool, the fool or he that continues to argue with the fool?
So that there is no confusion I'll quit arguing with each of you and leave.
Den Lobach
AgentSuccess.biz
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Only bothered to read the last line of the book you posted. Please email me the cliff notes if you really want me to read what you spewed.
So, let me just say good bye.
Rick
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Den, Den, Den. I was trying to be helpful and then you decide to shoot off your mouth about things you clearly don't understand. Not that it matters, but when I first came to this forum I didn't actually sell leads or anything else for that matter. To take that a step further, I don't take clients because it's more profitable and less headache for me to keep everything in house. If your system is so effective, why aren't you out selling the hell out of life, annuities, etc. Even if you didn't want to get your hands dirty, why aren't you just training agents to use your system and making your money off the overrides. Even if you were keeping all of the $97 in profit without ANY cost on the binders, you still could only make $97/new client your customers received. If you had an agent go out and write even one life deal you would likely make more than that, if they sold annuities, ltc, or any other product(s) you'd make a killing off of having your own sales force rather than selling a binder for $97.
Check your e-mail in a few minutes, I'm going to send you something interesting.
Check your e-mail in a few minutes, I'm going to send you something interesting.
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Denny,
Signatures are also disabled for those with less than 20 posts...The forum owner decided it was better to have people come here and add value before they started offering their wares....
I can not say if your goal was to seel with your first post or not....however many spammers come here and post nothing but thinly veiled ads in the form of posts....
I guess we will catch you next year when he holidays allow you to slow down again.
Signatures are also disabled for those with less than 20 posts...The forum owner decided it was better to have people come here and add value before they started offering their wares....
I can not say if your goal was to seel with your first post or not....however many spammers come here and post nothing but thinly veiled ads in the form of posts....
I guess we will catch you next year when he holidays allow you to slow down again.
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Den Man, can't find an e-mail address for you, want to share that with me so I can send you something privately or would you like it public?
My average is close to 2 med-supp sales/placed med-supp policies per week...averaged out over a 52 week year.
There's a lot of jabbing back and forth on this Senior Form....ego's mostly. There's also a lot of policing and policing ways some agents work and sale. There's also too much...."I sold 100 policies this week."....bs...that is mostly unbelievable.
It's a good source to pick up on things ahead of other avenues. I like to read how other agents are doing and in some cases the forum motivates me.
All in all, the good of the forum outweighs the bad, but the bad is like a rotten next door neighbor that won't move or get evicted or foreclosed on.
There's a lot of jabbing back and forth on this Senior Form....ego's mostly. There's also a lot of policing and policing ways some agents work and sale. There's also too much...."I sold 100 policies this week."....bs...that is mostly unbelievable.
It's a good source to pick up on things ahead of other avenues. I like to read how other agents are doing and in some cases the forum motivates me.
All in all, the good of the forum outweighs the bad, but the bad is like a rotten next door neighbor that won't move or get evicted or foreclosed on.
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