Reference Usa

[Josh]

their data has been very accurate for me. in fact, more so than the company we were using prior. don't need 100,000 records, nor 1 million. don't try and confuse everyone.

I think you're being a touch presumptuous. Mark Rosenthal who is promoting an unlimited service claims the data is 88% accurate on the phone numbers and 92% deliverable for mail. He's not the only one that has made such claims. If you don't think pay per 1,000 is for you then that's great, but there are still a lot of reasons to work with a list broker. Ignoring price, there are other reasons folks choose to work with a list broker. If it's not for you then it's not for you, but it's definitely not for everyone.

Perhaps a flaw in my business plan was making FreeTelemarketingScripts.com and giving away access to the scripts that I've used for the last four years that have worked effectively, but that's something that no list broker or list service can say they have done for insurance agents. If an agent decides to visit my site, then goes to another list broker or list source is that dishonest? Absolutely not, but some folks appreciate that time I take to provide helpful information on that site as well as participate on here and like to do business with someone that's helping them and better understands what they're looking for.

 

[GreenSky]

Let's do a bit of math using the 92% deliverable vs the 98% that I get from Josh.

Mail 1,000 pieces so there will be a difference of 60 that won't be delivered. Using a cost of 40 cents per piece, that's a wasted cost (not including time) of $24.00. If one expects a 1.5% return, that means there is also one response that you won't get.

Let's assume that you only sell 10% of the leads at an average commission of $250. That's another $25 you didn't make.

Seems to me that VERY conservatively, you just wasted $49 by not going with quality information. The reality is most people sell more like 20% of their leads and I've assumed that you have zero cost for the list.

So the more reasonable cost for a "free" list is close to $75/1,000, not including wasted time.

Cheap is not always better.

Rick

 

[jacobtn]

No one needs your telemarketing scripts, least of all me. What that has to do with the topic is a mystery, once again you are trying to get off topic. Sounds like you are scalping the newbs. If someone is doing direct mail then if your lists are more accurate there would be some value there. One would have to weigh the cost of paying for your lists vs. getting unlimited amounts for $25. Would it be worth paying for them? Hard to say.

When you are cold calling, using a dialer, there is no reason to pay per 1,000 names when you can get unlimited lists for $25 bucks per mth. Period. You can argue your points all you want in an effort to sell your lists, but I know the truth.

I think you're being a touch presumptuous. Mark Rosenthal who is promoting an unlimited service claims the data is 88% accurate on the phone numbers and 92% deliverable for mail. He's not the only one that has made such claims. If you don't think pay per 1,000 is for you then that's great, but there are still a lot of reasons to work with a list broker. Ignoring price, there are other reasons folks choose to work with a list broker. If it's not for you then it's not for you, but it's definitely not for everyone.

Perhaps a flaw in my business plan was making FreeTelemarketingScripts.com and giving away access to the scripts that I've used for the last four years that have worked effectively, but that's something that no list broker or list service can say they have done for insurance agents. If an agent decides to visit my site, then goes to another list broker or list source is that dishonest? Absolutely not, but some folks appreciate that time I take to provide helpful information on that site as well as participate on here and like to do business with someone that's helping them and better understands what they're looking for.

 

[Josh]

No one needs your telemarketing scripts, least of all me. What that has to do with the topic is a mystery, once again you are trying to get off topic. Sounds like you are scalping the newbs.

There is no reason to pay per 1,000 names when you can get unlimited lists for $25 bucks per mth. Period.

I get asked about scripts all the time, so clearly some folks value it and it's absolutely on topic.

That's certainly your opinion and that of some others. That said, there are also a good number of folks that would rather pay a little more and get more accurate data. This isn't an apples to apples comparison, not all data is created equal. Let's also not ignore that the price of the unlimited plan is going up AND that there are limitations on what filters you can use. Some folks would rather dial in the right list and have it be more accurate, even if it is a little more expensive. Other folks would rather get the absolute least expensive data possible and don't mind wasting up to half their time going through bad lists (that's what a previous poster stated).

Let's also not ignore that in the short time this unlimited plan has been around it's raised it's price (I believe twice) and that the $25/month plan with the discount is going up after the end of this month. I consistently am priced better than my competition on apples to apples data comparison. You might be able to find a cheaper list, but to get legitimate modeled data aggregated from over 300 different sources that typically runs 97%-99% accurate, folks get a tremendous value with me, especially if you compare my prices with other legitimate list brokers.

Competitor Pricing

 

[Daytona_Guy]

For the $24.95 price, it is a great deal!

I think I've referred, what,, 100 people to this deal now, Mark?
They're all very glad they have it. VERY high quality leads are coming from it.

Thanks for negotiating that discount!

 

[moonlightandmargaritas]

For the $24.95 price, it is a great deal!

Not sure I understand the difference between the offers...

I can buy Josh's list of 1,000 for $59 (I guess that's .059 per name?), or I can have unlimited access for $24.95 per month (cost per name depends on how may you download). If I download 1,000 in the first month, it's .0249 per name as opposed to .0590? (that seems like a no brainer)

Any minimum commitment or contract with InfoFree?

Is that the gist of it?

 

[Josh]

Not sure I understand the difference between the offers...

I can buy Josh's list of 1,000 for $59 (I guess that's .059 per name?), or I can have unlimited access for $24.95 per month (cost per name depends on how may you download). If I download 1,000 in the first month, it's .0249 per name as opposed to .0590? (that seems like a no brainer)

Any minimum commitment or contract with InfoFree?

Is that the gist of it?

That is the gist of it.

They are two different files, so it's not apples to apples, but it's close. There are limitations on the filters you can use and conflicting reports about the accuracy of the infofree file. If you pull the file yourself you're also not working with a list broker so it can make modeling the list a bit more challenging. Anything outside of their limitations and they want you to go to their sister/parent company database101.com and pay on a traditional per record basis.

There is no contract with the InfoFree, but to keep the price point you have to keep paying ~$300/year ($24.95/month) to keep it. It's a very new company that has already changed their prices a few times, I'm very curious to see where the go. InfoGroup (owns Sales Genie and Reference USA among others) did over half a billion dollars last year; there's plenty of business for everyone.

 

[jacobtn]

Not sure I understand the difference between the offers...

I can buy Josh's list of 1,000 for $59 (I guess that's .059 per name?), or I can have unlimited access for $24.95 per month (cost per name depends on how may you download). If I download 1,000 in the first month, it's .0249 per name as opposed to .0590? (that seems like a no brainer)

Any minimum commitment or contract with InfoFree?

Is that the gist of it?

Yep, thats it. He keeps saying he's cheaper than other list brokers. So what? Who cares if he's cheaper than a few other people that are even higher than him they're all too high compared in fofree.com. and no they haven't raise the price on people that have already subscribed so don't believe that lie.

Reminds me of a few medicare supplement companies like united american and bankers life who can't compete when marketing to savvy individuals, so they just try and say try to say they are better in terms of value and service which is a bunch of bs.

 

[Josh]

Yep, thats it. He keeps saying he's cheaper than other list brokers. So what? Who cares if he's cheaper than a few other people that are even higher than him they're all too high compared in fofree.com. and no they haven't raise the price on people that have already subscribed so don't believe that lie.

I never said they raised it for current subscribers, I said they raised their prices. New customers are paying more than older customers. To use medicare supplement analogies, it's exactly like what happens when a new carrier launches with great rates then starts raising them. All an agent needs to do to keep the low price is keep paying them every month. Why not just download everything in your areas and cancel the next day?

If they fail, that will probably be why. A company can't sell to quality data for $25/month and they already figured that out. How high will they go? How long will it actually be unlimited? We're already seeing indications they can't afford to stick to their original offer.

 

[Daytona_Guy]

I can buy Josh's list of 1,000 for $59 (I guess that's .059 per name?), or I can have unlimited access for $24.95 per month (cost

By the way, if you pay for the entire year up front you get TWO months free. That's $250 for the entire year of unlimited data.

We've found the lists to be extremely accurate. You can easily compile various county lists for your predictive dialer into one CSV file for upload (ask me how and I'll show you if you don't know) and you can chop off the higher ages or do anything else you want to do with the resulting file using Excel easily.

It's a great service..


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